while i can understand some people are upset that their team lost, i mean i was upset when the K-State football team lost at home to an instate school and it took me a while to figure out the team we lost to did have better players and were better coached. denial is a tough thing to overcome.
now, i’m no basketball coach but i was there and i’ve watched it again on my dvr and I’m quite convinced uk played their A-game and lost to simply the better team. here’s what happened–
1. uk outshot K-State 48.1% to 42.9% so its not like ku had a poor shooting night and kstate a great one.
2. true, K-State hit 6 more 3’s than uk. but even if every shot counted as 2 points, K-State would still win by 3 points so that point is immaterial.
3. uk shot 20% above their normal ft percentage. K-State only shot about 7% above theirs, so you could argue K-State should have won by an extra 2 more points if the teams shot their normal ft percentage. uk played better than normal here.
4. K-State outrebounded uk by 4. looking at the stats K-State averages 43.0 rebounds per game and uk 38.9 so looks like nothing out of the ordinary there (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncb/leaders?groupId=50&cat=teamrbd&sort=AVG). looks like uk played up to their potential against us on the boards.
5. uk had 7 blocks and they average 6.5, so little better than normal there.
6. but uk didn’t have as many steals as normal!! true, they had 3 when they normally average 10. this is the biggest factor in the game and this you can blame coach self (pictured below with wig on) for. its clear to me, by bill self’s choice, that when you decide to double and sometimes triple team a player down low that uk would not be able to do their usual trapping on the outside thus negating the supposed notion that uk’s guards would dominate the game. thats a coaching decision and i guess it “worked” because Beasley did have trouble scoring inside and drawing fouls (which weren’t being called on either team inside anyway unless it was some kind of obvious reach or your name is darren kent). uk’s guards simply didn’t rattle K-State’s guards one on one. Pullen, by the way, will be better than any of uk’s guards by his junior year (and showed for this game that he might already be with his complete domination of uk’s senior guard and resident extraterrestrial r. robinson)
6a. the above mentioned decision by coach self, which he never wavered from, allowed Beasley to go outside and the slower ku inside guys like kaun, jackson, and aldridge couldn’t stay with him and he went 4-4 from the arch. lets face it, you can’t guard beasley with any strategy, you just have to hope he has an off night like he did against xavier. this is why he’ll go #1 overall in the draft.
sorry but i dont see how uk played a bad game here. they simply lost to a better coached and athletically superior team.
Coach Self after the game: “K-State had us sped up” Roy Williams must be turning over in his grave.
to respond to a few other things:
i settled for giving uk their one year in football (and dealt with giving up a long winning streak) so its ok to give us ours. and i recall uk fans getting pretty excited when you beat a 4-7 football team and you’ve torn down the goalposts against us twice in a row at home against mediocre unranked football teams.
the big 12 is the #3 conference in the rpi http://www.kenpom.com/confrank.php?y=2008 so its not as bad as it has been the past few years when uk dominated it (7th last year, 5th in ‘06).
as for winning the big 12, KSU does have an easier road than uk…our toughest game left is probably at baylor and at uk. we have texas at home. uk still has to go to a&m and texas. maybe if both teams can win out uk can play for a split title!
as for next year uk will lose jackson, kaun, robinson, stewart, and likely rush and possibly arthur. good luck replacing all of that in a year. uk will take a step back next year too. a couple of 4-star top 20 at their position freshmen recruits won’t replace everything lost in one season for sure (you need 5-star nba ready studs like K-State to do that).
KSU loses stewart and young and likely beasley and perhaps walker. but it looks like all big 12 2nd teamer hoskins will try to come back and really no one else in the country has a beasley and still teams can be pretty good. and i think we can still compete for top 4 in the big 12 and a tourney spot year in and year out. personally, i believe KSU and uk will be pretty even next season.
I wish i could find a ticket for that game in lawrence, but i had my fun there in ‘06 so been there done that. 
KSU 2-3 last 5 reg season matchups with uk
When you say “uk” you mean KU right? Just wanted to clear that up. It was an awesome win!!! Lets do it again.
Comment by Joanna — Saturday, February 2, 2008 @ 11:47 am
You have caused quite a bit of controversy with your blog Mr. K-Stater. And, Joanna has it right, it’s KU, not UK. UK is Kentucky, and as far as I know K-State and Kentucky haven’t duked it out.
The thing you failed to mention were the amount of loose balls, and turnovers on points. K-State did a good job of taking advantage of KU’s “flubs,” but on average the Hawks don’t flub that much in a game. They looked sloppy. 70-80% of loose balls went to KSU, and they were able to convert. Turnovers the Hawks made meant points for KSU because they took advantage. The problem for KSU is, KU won’t give a team that many opportunities in a game, on average. I wouldn’t expect to see that in Lawrence, or at the Big 12 game, given that the 2 Kansas teams make it. Still, 9 times out of 10, KU will beat K-state simply because this game was won more because K-State took advantage of KU’s mistakes, not because one team played superior to the other.
Your friend, Joanna, won’t see another win by the Cats because the opportunity will not be given again. Yes, Coach Self made some dumb coaching mistakes, but I would say the Hawks did a good job on Beasley, he’s just that good. But, again, I reiterate that given KU’s best game, the Cats wouldn’t be able to stand a chance, Beasley or not.
Your information, though valid, only presents one side of the case. You presented information that supported your view of KSU being better, while foregoing information (such as the info I presented) that show a different picture.
I liked that you added your ticket to your blog. Being a KU fan, I couldn’t afford that luxury, because I have just so many tickets that claim KU’s dominance over K-State. My blog couldn’t hold that much attachments.
Oh, and congrats on the DUI by your assistant coach. Atleast KU doesn’t have to need a win so bad that any of their coaching staff has to go out and get arrested in celebration. Of course, according to all of you guys, Beasley leads the team, so Hill isn’t really an asset. I think it will be fun to see K-State flop (along with Martin’s bad coaching come out) when the Cats are left with mediocrity next season.
Happy trails to the one hit wonders!
Comment by KU Enthusiast — Saturday, February 2, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
low basketball IQ? have you ever played basketball? you look like a midget in your picture. one man will not win a title. how far did Durant get last year? i don’t think anyone is arguing that K-state is a bad team, but KU will still be ranked above K-state next week for reason, probably still in the top 5 at that. at the end of the year we’ll see who goes the farthest and has the last word.
Comment by KU, a TRADITION of Excellence — Saturday, February 2, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Yes, no one is arguing that K-State is a bad team. They have talent, but KU will still be ranked above K-State, and I believe will still go farther in the big tourney. The previous post makes a great point about Durant. When a team has to depend so much on one player, they will ultimately not succeed. Beasley may be the best PLAYER on the court, but the best TEAM will win the game. And, K-State will not be able to out-play great teams.
Comment by KU Enthusiast — Saturday, February 2, 2008 @ 3:03 pm
enthusiast-
university of kansas would equal uk right? seems pretty easy to figure out. too bad kansas can’t seem to get their acronym to properly match the name of their school.
but i digress.
if uk looked sloppy its because KSU forced them into that. either way we aren’t going to convince each other on this. we’ll just keep going in circles.
hopefully with uk’s best game they can maybe be within 5.
the ticket was shown to show that i’ve seen a KSU win at uk and that i am a hardcore fan for going to a game that my team had no chance at. good for you, being a fan of a winning team. how many kansas-KSU football games did you attend the last 15 years?
dui? at least our school doesnt cheat and lead the ncaa’s in all-time basketball probations.
uk fans are praying KSU goes away after this season. God forbid anyone infringes on their “tradition” of 1 championship in the last 55+ years.
tradition-
typical of a person with a losing arguement, go for the personal attacks.
why can’t we be like carmelo anthony? why is it always durant comparisons?
uk should still be highly ranked, ahead of KSU because of the whole season so far. uk should not be penalized for losing to a better team.
yes we shall see who goes further.
P.S. I write this after a tough loss to mizzou, blowing a big lead. young team/1st year coach couldnt handle the pressure. should help wake the team up and realize you gotta go the full 40 minutes even against lesser teams. still control our own destiny at least.
Comment by Andy — Saturday, February 2, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
It’s Kansas University, idiot. Get it right. That’s why we are KU. That’s why the University of Kentucky is UK. Wow…..
Comment by KU Enthusiast — Saturday, February 2, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
If you refuse to write KU, you are stupid. Seriously, everyone in the free world knows it’s KU. Unless you change, I will be forced to think you are discussing Kentucky. Which still couldn’t beat KU.
Comment by KU Enthusiast — Saturday, February 2, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
The KU win was an emotional win. They were pumped up, and played their hearts out. Overall, that’s it. KSU really isn’t a great team, which explains why they were beat by Mizzou, and they certainly aren’t better than KU. That’s the same reason they won’t go farther in the tourney. You got it: first year coach, and young team. They will be beaten. Also, don’t get onto Tradition about personal attacks. You just gave one to all KU fans about acronyms, even though anyone besides you knows that it’s KU (Kansas University). Atleast tradition’s attack was spot on. Even Joanna, who seems friendly with you, knew that. I’m just sayin….
Comment by KU Enthusiast — Saturday, February 2, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
HAHA,so much for your athletic and superior team. Maybe this will bring your head back down to earth.
Comment by KU, a TRADITION of Excellence — Saturday, February 2, 2008 @ 4:44 pm
lol is that why the school’s website is http://www.ukansas.com and it will say the university of kansas at the top of your browser?
whats funny is any time i’m outside of kansas city and i say ku everyone still thinks ku=kentucky lol. either way kentucky is a much much more historically elite basketball school.
and i’m not sure how commenting on how a SCHOOL uses an acronym is a PERSONAL attack. send me a link to your picture so i can make fun of you too.
this is why i’m convinced about 80% of ukansas’ fanbase has never taken a class at ukansas. i’d be shocked if either of you two did.
p.s. mike anderson>>>>billself for not being hardheaded and using a zone to stop KSU.
Comment by Andy — Saturday, February 2, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
I’m sorry, I’ve always gone to http://www.ku.edu not http://www.ukansas.com. And, yes, I was a student there all four years and two years for my masters. If you go to Kentucky’s website, http://www.uky.edu/ you will see that their name is UK, University of Kentucky. So, I am not sure why people outside of the Kansas City area would think KU is Kentucky, since the school claims UK (all their memorbilia is UK, all their fans wear clothes that say UK, their website CLEARLY states UK). If you’ve ever listented to announcers of games they say KU (for Kansas), everyone calls it KU, all memorbilia says KU, and the website clearly says KU. Kentucky has UK, we have KU. I’ve never met a person (besides you) that says UK is Kansas. No one should think otherwise, whether living in Kansas or any other state because UK is Kentucky. It’s quite obvious.
Comment by KU Enthusiast — Sunday, February 3, 2008 @ 12:48 am
Oh, and each member of my family went to KU (dad, mom, sister, brother, nephew, uncle, aunt, and most of my cousins. Screw you.
Comment by KU Enthusiast — Sunday, February 3, 2008 @ 12:48 am
dude i know kansas uses ku. this is my humor.
funny story though i was in new orleans over new years last month and it was right during the sugar bowl between lsu and hawaii and i was with a number of my kansas friends and whenever my friends said hey how about ku’s season this year to the lsu and hawaii fans they had no idea who my friends were refering too. when my friends said it was kansas the other fans said oh the wildcats then finally my friends said no the jayhawks. i got a good laugh out of that.
to be fair i’ve also run into some out of town fans who think Kansas State is the jayhawks so it goes both ways there.
i’m sorry about your family.
Comment by Andy — Sunday, February 3, 2008 @ 10:13 am
KU Enthusiast-
The reason I am friendly is because he’s my brother and I wanted to make sure I understood his humor. Which I did. And personal attacks are stupid. It just shows that a person has nothing else to say so they resort to that. Which is too bad. That’s not talking sports that’s just being mean.
Comment by joanna — Tuesday, February 5, 2008 @ 12:58 pm